Tomos Riders Forum
Glavni forum => Tehnički podaci, sheme i razni manuali => Autor teme: mmario73 - Prosinac 22, 2017, 19:50:31
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(http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/Originals/001_junior.jpg)
Zahvaljujući članu Rider98, dobio sam na analizu originalni cilindar od Tomos Cross 50 Junior takmičarskog motora
(http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/002_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/Originals/002_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/003_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/Originals/003_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/004_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/Originals/004_junior.jpg)
uočićemo šra rebra za hlađenje od klasičnog T15 cilindra, kao i potpuno drugačije odlivene transfere, izduv i usis... kompletno drugačiji koncept
(http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/005_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/Originals/005_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/006_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/Originals/006_junior.jpg)
(http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/007_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/Originals/007_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/008_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/Originals/008_junior.jpg)
izduvni kanal na prvi pogled nije preterane površine, niti je ovalnog, već šestougaonog hexagon oblika
(http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/009_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/Originals/009_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/010_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/Originals/010_junior.jpg)
(http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/011_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/Originals/011_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/012_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/Originals/012_junior.jpg)
svi priključni portovi dovedeni su do maksimuma, tako je izduv na 28mm, dok je usis na 23mm,
(http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/013_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/Originals/013_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/014_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/Originals/014_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/015_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/Originals/015_junior.jpg)
priključak transfera mi takođe deluje nešto proširen, odnosno cilindar je na unutrašnjem zidu tanje odliven te je na taj način povećana površina sastava porta
(http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/Originals/016_junior.jpg)
Originalnu glavu nisam imao, te sam se poslužio glavom od BT50
(http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/017_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/Originals/017_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/018_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/Originals/018_junior.jpg)
upust squish band-a je dubine 0,55mm dok je zapremina glave 5ccm
(http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/019_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/Originals/019_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/020_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/Originals/020_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/021_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/Originals/021_junior.jpg)
ukoliko je u upotrebi bio originalni ELKO klip sa jednim L i jednim običnim prstenom , onda je to ovo
(http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/Originals/022_junior.jpg)
(http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/023_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/Originals/023_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/024_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/Originals/024_junior.jpg)
(http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/025_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/Originals/025_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/026_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/Originals/026_junior.jpg)
visina ukupna (ovog na slikama koji je radio) je 49,9mm dakle novi je kao i novi meteor-i 50mm
visina ivice čela klipa koju definiše L prsten je 46,9mm u stegnutom stadijumu prstena 47mm, bez prstena je dosed 46,3mm
dakle zakrivljenje čela klipa je tačno 3mm
(http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/027_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/Originals/027_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/029_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/Originals/029_junior.jpg)
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evo i portmape razmerene 1:1 i nešto uveličane zbog kvota
(http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/031_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/Originals/031_junior.jpg)
(http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/032_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/Originals/032_junior.jpg)
ovaj primerak je već bušen na 39mm promer te su moguće sitne razlike, uradio sam nekoliko postavki na osnovu C parametra različitih visina gornjeg ruba karike od gornje ivice cilindra u GMT
C = 0mm
Pritisak = 108,5 PSI
Snaga teorijska = 8,8 KS
Snaga na radilici = 7,33 KS
Snaga na točku = 6.1 KS
Najbolja iskorištenost
Obrtaji = 10200 rpm
Stepen kompresije sa 1mm zaptivačem = 11,7:1
Stepen kompresije sa 1,3mm zaptivačem = 10,9:1
(http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/033_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/Originals/033_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/034_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/Originals/034_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/035_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/Originals/035_junior.jpg)
C = 0,2mm
Pritisak = 104,5 PSI
Snaga teorijska = 8,7 KS
Snaga na radilici = 7,25 KS
Snaga na točku = 6.04 KS
Najbolja iskorištenost
Obrtaji = 10600 rpm
C = 0,4mm
Pritisak = 100 PSI
Snaga teorijska = 8,7 KS
Snaga na radilici = 7,25 KS
Snaga na točku = 6.04 KS
Najbolja iskorištenost
Obrtaji = 11000 rpm
Stepen kompresije sa 1mm zaptivačem = 10,7:1
Stepen kompresije sa 1,3mm zaptivačem = 10,9:1
(http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/036_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/Originals/036_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/037_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/Originals/037_junior.jpg)
(http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/038_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/Originals/038_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/039_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/Originals/039_junior.jpg)
C = 0,5mm
Pritisak = 97 PSI
Snaga teorijska = 8,7 KS
Snaga na radilici = 7,25 KS
Snaga na točku = 6.04 KS
Najbolja iskorištenost
Obrtaji = 11300 rpm
C = 0,7mm
Pritisak = 96,5 PSI
Snaga teorijska = 8,8 KS
Snaga na radilici = 7,33 KS
Snaga na točku = 6.1 KS
Najbolja iskorištenost
Obrtaji = 11500 rpm
Stepen kompresije sa 1mm zaptivačem = 10,1:1
Stepen kompresije sa 1,3mm zaptivačem = 9,5:1
(http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/040_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/Originals/040_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/041_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/Originals/041_junior.jpg)
(http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/042_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/Originals/042_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/043_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/Originals/043_junior.jpg)
evo i tehničkih specifikacija
(http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/044_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/Originals/044_junior.jpg)
(http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/045_junior.jpg) (http://www.pyrotherm-sr.co.rs/tuned/analize/tomos_junior/Originals/045_junior.jpg)
Iz kojih čitamo da je agregat najspemniji na 7500 o/min gde isporučuje 7,5KS (predpostavljam na vretenu radilice) pri stepenu kompresije od 10:1.. onda će nam verosdostojna C postavka biti 0mm sa debljim zaptivačem ispod glave od 1,3mm ili je originalna glava nešto veće zapremine.. Ovo je još jedan primer višlje centriranog cilindra, odnosno sprege svih pritisaka od ciljane na kojima se upotrebljava. Naravno da rezonantna dužina auspuha diktira najbolji powerband neovisno o sprezi kanala i njihovom tajmingu. Ono što sa grafikona možemo da uočimo je debela rezerva isporuke smeše transfera te njihovog pritiska, time je konstruktor doveo agregat u veoma elastično i široko raspoloživo stanje, dok je zauzvrat uštinuo snagu sa površine izduva, koji je u ovom slučaju na 58% širine promera, i 176 stepeni ugla u situaciji C=0.. Stepen kompresije od 10:1 nam govori da su ostavili rezerve u temperaturi, jer je motor ipak terenski i ne postiže velike brzine koje bi bile adekvatno dovoljne za prirodno hlađenje i ove površine rebara...
interesantan koncept, vredan pažnje..
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Umjesto da su stavili glavu od seniora, tomos poveca rebra na cilndru..
Junior Cilindri su bili preciznije izvedeni od t15 i imali su puno bolji overrev od t15 za isti karb I auspuh
Ipak Sam pobornik manjih kanala I dobrog auspuha